It's hard to imagine what the upside catalyst is, what...

It's hard to imagine what the upside catalyst is, what specifically is going to change things and lead GM to a turnaround. The list of negatives is so long, and you look at the positives and there's just not enough there to have any confidence at all. ... It probably will get worse before it gets better, so it's possible that GM will be a buy again someday, but that day's a long way off.