Now, just -- just a few minutes ago, you heard Manager Gekas...

Now, just -- just a few minutes ago, you heard Manager Gekas talk to you about perjury, ... And probably 90 percent of what he talked to you about was perjury in the (Paula) Jones case. It appears to make no difference, though, that the House rejected this charge, for the managers do continue to dwell on it, as though somehow they could show the House from which they came that they'd made a mistake.