We were all figuring out ways to build an image rather than...

We were all figuring out ways to build an image rather than paint it. Sculptors didn't want to work in bronze or marble or wax. They wanted to find a material that didn't have any art use. We were similarly trying to find ways of working that were not about paint-it-in, paint-it-out, scrape-it-off -- some way of working all over at once.