Instead of sitting in his office, he wanted to walk, so we...

Instead of sitting in his office, he wanted to walk, so we would walk outside the court. There would be lots of tourists outside waiting to get into the court, anxious to see the action, and we would walk right by, with them not recognizing him, ... That was very much the way the chief was -- very unassuming, very straightforward about the way he went about his work. He was a very genuine, Midwestern man.