We kept our finger firmly planted in the eye of the establishment when Murdoch owned us, ... It's part of our genetic makeup.
They are both independent, rather ferocious while poking their finger in the eye of people with power or people who think they have power.
The issue is, what's in the newspaper? I would challenge anyone who's critical of this to point to anything in our papers or the New Times papers that's establishment. It's flat-out not true.
invest in editorial. This is what they're about. It's quite refreshing.
