We knew we weren't going to be able to keep Kobe under 30, but you want to make him work for it. And I think we did a pretty good job of that.
Kirk (Snyder) deserves a shot. Kirk works his butt off every day. He's still out here. Matter of fact, do you see J.R.? (Smith had left.) That pretty much tells it. It's work ethic -- he has to work harder.