The issue of human rights is a national security issue for us and while we have lots of issues to address with North Korea and we have lots of issues to address with China, the prism through which we evaluate their conduct is very much a human rights prism.
He's taken a very personal interest and a fairly significant interest in the issue of human rights. He fundamentally believes the character of the North Korean regime is defined by its human rights conduct.
We spoke about the importance of raising international consciousness on the issue of human rights in North Korea and the terrible deprivation of human rights by that regime.