We've been aware for some time roughly the number of people who have trained overseas and they've been the focus of the attention of both ASIO and the AFP and also the state police in our joint operations,
It's important that we give these people a fair opportunity to prepare their defense before the court rather than run their trial in the media.
In some places they will use a cleric who has a good reputation with the community and who will be respected and listened to by the people in custody.
All of us are very surprised at some of the things that have happened in the last, say, 12 months. To find, for example, in the U.K. that we have got people who are homegrown terrorists is a big move from where we were, say, four years ago or three years ago.